Trying to find out something All these years we were told mom was Violet Marie Irwin and now I find she is?

Violet Marie Larsen born January 28,1929. And we were told she was born in Pierre South Dakota. Her mother was Edith Ellen Larsen her ID 3 on file was I02527, Born Feb.28,1908 in Gregory South Dakota.Edith's parents were Miles P. Irwin Born Dec.2,1868 in Iowa. Her mother was Myrtle Violet Palmer Born June 9,1887 in Nickerson, Nebraska. Marriage 1 Charles Erwin Wust Born 1909; Marriage 2.? Larsen we called an Uncle and he told us to leave it alone and stop Stirring up Trouble for the family. If It is my Mother I fell we have the right to know what the truth is just like anyone else does. Any HELP would be of great use. I have checked Ancestry.com and the Genealogy site and come up with a little but can't find anything on her Father or where she was born for sure.

Trying to find out something All these years we were told mom was Violet Marie Irwin and now I find she is?
Have you tried the census? You would be surprised what you find in the census.

Also try familysearch.org and rootsweb.com. you may find something there.
Reply:1930 United States Federal Census

about Edith Irwin

Name: Edith Irwin

Home in 1930: Lake, Vernon, Missouri

Age: 22

Estimated birth year: abt 1908

Birthplace: South Dakota

Relation to Head of House: Son-in-law



Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age

William G Ochs 41

Alice E Ochs 28

Leland E Ochs 6

Weller W Ochs 4

Andrew I Ochs 2 1/12

Edith Irwin 22

Violet M Irwin 1 2/12



1910 United States Federal Census

about Edith Irwin

Name: Edith Irwin

Age in 1910: 2

Estimated birth year: abt 1908

Birthplace: South Dakota

Relation to Head of House: Daughter

Father's name: Miles

Father's Birth Place: Iowa

Mother's name: Myrtle

Mother's Birth Place: Iowa

Home in 1910: Carlock, Gregory, South Dakota

Marital Status: Single

Race: White

Gender: Female

Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age

Miles Irwin 38

Myrtle Irwin 23

Edith Irwin 2

Silvia Irwin 5/12



1920 United States Federal Census

about Edith Irwin

Name: Edith Irwin

Home in 1920: Carlock, Gregory, South Dakota

Age: 11 years

Estimated birth year: abt 1909

Birthplace: South Dakota

Relation to Head of House: Daughter

Father's name: Miles

Father's Birth Place: Iowa

Mother's name: Myrtle

Mother's Birth Place: Nebraska

Marital Status: Single

Race: White

Sex: Female

Able to read: Yes

Able to Write: Yes

Image: 216

Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age

Miles Irwin 49

Myrtle Irwin 33

Edith Irwin 11

Sylvia Irwin 10

Gottie Irwin 8 2/12

Frances Irwin 5 2/12

Gage Irwin 3 3/12

Ethel Irwin 1 2/12



1930 United States Federal Census

about Violet M Irwin

Name: Violet M Irwin

Home in 1930: Lake, Vernon, Missouri

Age: 1

Estimated birth year: abt 1929

Relation to Head of House: Daughter

Father's name: Edith







From the looks of this Edith MAIDEN name is Irwin That means Violet Marie Irwin was born out of wedlock! Violets father may very well be UNKNOWN!



I find it interesting that Edith is listed as a man/son-in law on the 1930 census and as Violet's "Father". The census taker may have only spoke to the head of house hold and not met the people he listed on the Census! There may have been a lie told to keep from having an "OFFICIAL" record of Edith having a child out of wedlock.



1930 United States Federal Census

about William G Ochs

Name: William G Ochs

Home in 1930: Lake, Vernon, Missouri

Age: 41

Estimated birth year: abt 1889

Birthplace: Missouri

Relation to Head of House: Head

Spouse's name: Alice E

Race: White



I wonder if maybe Edith worked for the Och's, It would not be the first time a house hold servent became "with child" by the man of the house! And also how did Edith end up in Missouri? Could it be she was sent there by her family? Could the Ochs be related in some way to the Irwin's. I don't think that the Ochs are old enough to have a son old enought to marrie Edith and if they had both Edith's and Violets last name would be Ochs and not Irwin on the 1930 census!



I am thinking that Edith either changed her name to "Larsen" or married a "Larsen" and changed Edith's name. Back in the 1930's if you wanted to change your name you just moved to another town and started using another name.



I also found this but it is unsourced:

Name: Edith Ellen Irwin

Birth: 28 Feb 1908 - Gregory, South Dakota, USA

Death: 30 Sep 1992 - Smithfield, Illinois, USA

Marriage: 11 Jun 1930 - Nevada, Missouri, USA

Parents: Miles P Irwin, Myrtle Violet Palmer

Spouse: Charles Erwin Wust

http://www.ancestry.com/



I think you are dealing with family dirt that the family wants to keep under the carpet!
Reply:Great work, now enter your info



I John Doe was born in 1986, and my parents, I do not know who they were



That is the generation we have to-day.



But you canm find your family here



www.familysearch.org
Reply:This certainly helps you understand why the old timers here always urge persons to find documentation, even about what you believe you "know".

1929 seems way way back to us now, but in fact, these are still often living persons. Thus, some of the info will be confidential. And, clearly, it is still an emotional issue for the Uncle. Things that don't bother us in the least, today, were scandals, family feuds and secrets to be kept.

Tread lightly with the immediate relatives, and use what you can. The census is obviously one of those things, marriage records will be another. SOME localities will have birth indexes, although that won't be the certificate itself.

I worked a friend's line, where "dad" was a railroad man who died. After digging, I found several records showing mom with her maiden (father's) name, well after baby was born, as well as her marriage record (again, maiden name) a few years later. It was clear that railroad man was a convenience. I tactfully wrote in the report that I was just "unable" to find the marriage record. I wasn't blatant about the reality that there was no marriage to be found.

I agree you have the right to facts, but I would still bake Uncle a cake and confine chats with him to baseball or something else.
Reply:http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/f...



check out this link.. at the bottom of the page there is a name of who submitted hte info u can always contact them and see if they know anything else
Reply:The innocent child (your mother) may have been a product of rape or incest, and the other family members don't care to have you know what went on (stirring up trouble for the family).
Reply:Lots of name changes for different reasons; sound like a skeleton in your family's closet.

Have you heard of the ethnic fellow(no racist jokes here!) who couldn't afford a personalized number plate(license plate) for his car, so he changed his name by deed poll to FSQ289.
Reply:Violet Larsen

Born: 1929



Died: 1996



Edith Ellen Irwin B: 28 Feb 1908

D: 30 Sep 1992





Larsen (no info available)

Born:

Died:

(This was given under his name as family relationships):



Edith Ellen Irwin

Born: 28 Feb 1908 in Gregory, [county], South Dakota, USA

Died: 30 Sep 1992 in Smithfield, [county], Illinois, USA

Marriage:

Children Sex Birth

Violet Larsen F 1929





Charles Erwin Wust

Born: 29 May 1909

Nevada, [county], Missouri, USA

Died: 27 Jan 1990

Canton, [county], Illinois



(Below listed under Charles name as family relationships)









Edith Ellen Irwin

Born: 28 Feb 1908 in Gregory, [county], South Dakota, USA

Died: 30 Sep 1992 in Smithfield, [county], Illinois, USA

Marriage: 11 Jun 1930 in Nevada, [county], Missouri, USA View Info

Children Sex Birth

Living Wust F

Living Wust M

Living Hansen F

Living Wust M

Living Wust F

Doris Wust F 1937









Myrtle Violet Palmer

B: 9 Jun 1887

D: 29 May 1942





Miles P Irwin

Born: 5 Dec 1868

[city], Marion, Iowa, USA

Died: 22 Jul 1929

Norfolk, Madison, Nebraska, USA (at least 4-5 generations before him are shown, too)









(Just for fun, I looked up some of your famous relatives:



Famous People related to Violet Larsen: 5 stars=very accurate info



4 *'s THOMAS MORE (1478-1535)--your 15th great-grandfather

English Writer

Thomas More coined the word "utopia" when he published a book by the same name. He was known as a humanist and was executed by King Henry VIII when he refused to recognize the King as the head of the Church of England.

Relationship: 15th Great Grandfather





3 *'s-- MARK TWAIN (1835-1910)

American Author

Samuel Langhorne Clemens thought of his pen name, "Mark Twain," while working on a riverboat. This humorist's works include Adventures of Tom Sawyer.

Relationship: 7th Cousin 1 times removed (through 6th GGrandma, Christian Worley ; 1727-1815, VA)





5 *'s-- GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH (1924-)

41st President of the United States of America

President George H.W. Bush is known for leading the U.N. coalition in the Gulf War. His presidency saw the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Relationship: 7th Cousin 2 times removed --through 8th GGrandma, Ann Pleasant, b. 1675 in VA)





4 *'s-- JOAN CRAWFORD (1905-1977)

American Actress

Lucille Fay LeSueur changed her name to Joan Crawford after a studio chief decided her name sounded too much like "sewer." Her big break came in the film Our Dancing Daughters, and Crawford is best known for her award winning role in the film Mildred Pierce.

Relationship: 7th Cousin 3 times removed --through 9th GGrandma, Francoise Jane Renault, 1607-1694,France)





5 *'s-- GEORGE WALKER BUSH (1946-)

43rd President of the United States of America

George W. Bush declared a global War on Terrorism and the overthrow of the Taliban. He also adopted the No Child Left Behind Act.

Relationship: 8th Cousin 1 times removed (see his Dad above)





4 *'s-- WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT (1857-1930)

27th President of the United States of America

Taft, serving first as President then as the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, is the only president to be the head of both the Executive and Judicial branches of government. He was the first president to be buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

Relationship: 7th Cousin 4 times removed through 10th GGrandfather, John Burton,( b.1632 in VA, d. 1690 in MA)





4 *'s-- ELVIS PRESLEY (1935-1977)

American Entertainer

Elvis Aaron Presley is often called "The King of Rock and Roll", or simply "The King". He starred in movies but is best known for his music which includes over 100 top 40 songs including "Blue Suede Shoes", "Hound Dog", "Love Me Tender", "Don't Be Cruel", and "Jailhouse Rock".

Relationship: 9th Cousin 1 times removed (MUST BE ROUGH!! LOL)--through 9th GGrandma, Ann Willis (1639-1667, England--%26gt;Mass)





5 *'s-- ELBRIDGE GERRY (1744-1814)

Massachusetts Representative

Eldbridge Gerry signed both the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation. He refused to sign the constitution until there was a Bill of Rights.

Relationship: 6th Cousin 8 times removed --through 13th GGrandfather, Henry Norreys (1525-1601, England)





4 *'s--ROBERT PENN WARREN (1905-1989)

American Poet and Novelist

Most famous for his Pulitzer Prize-winning novel All the King's Men, Robert Penn Warren has also won several prizes and awards (including other Pulitzer Prizes) for his poetry and other writings. He was the first U.S. Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress.

Relationship: 8th Cousin 4 times removed --through 11th GGrandma, Katherine Christian (1580-1646, VA)





See, you DO have a family tree--at least 18 generations, if I counted right. :)